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		<title>By: lacma</title>
		<link>http://lacma.wordpress.com/2010/11/03/in-your-presence-by-marisela-norte/#comment-3875</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2011 17:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello to any of you who may be subscribed to this comments thread - we appreciate the vigorous debate that has happened here on Unframed and in other forums in response to this exhibition. We hope you&#039;ll come to the museum this Sunday, January 9, on the exhibition&#039;s closing day, for a free roundtable discussion on the topic of Olmec ancestry. More information can be found here: http://www.lacma.org/programs/Lectures.aspx#1283969081715]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello to any of you who may be subscribed to this comments thread &#8211; we appreciate the vigorous debate that has happened here on Unframed and in other forums in response to this exhibition. We hope you&#8217;ll come to the museum this Sunday, January 9, on the exhibition&#8217;s closing day, for a free roundtable discussion on the topic of Olmec ancestry. More information can be found here: <a href="http://www.lacma.org/programs/Lectures.aspx#1283969081715" rel="nofollow">http://www.lacma.org/programs/Lectures.aspx#1283969081715</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Whitson</title>
		<link>http://lacma.wordpress.com/2010/11/03/in-your-presence-by-marisela-norte/#comment-3728</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chuck Whitson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2010 16:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LACMA current advertisement of Olmec further reveals their position of Olmec having no African connection.
The sideview Olmec head picture/banners on some (i.e. Crenshaw) Los Angeles street lampposts emphasize and promote European(non African)features.
Perhaps,this is subtle marketing of LACMA view/opinion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LACMA current advertisement of Olmec further reveals their position of Olmec having no African connection.<br />
The sideview Olmec head picture/banners on some (i.e. Crenshaw) Los Angeles street lampposts emphasize and promote European(non African)features.<br />
Perhaps,this is subtle marketing of LACMA view/opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Rathko</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rathko]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2010 16:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve tied to take your arguments seriously, Manuel. As an Englishman, I try to imagine going to an exhibition at the Victoria and Albert Museum - that bastion to Imperialist Expansion - and seeing an exhibition on Pre-Celtic British culture. I imagine reading a poem there that includes the lines

Stone Henge
You are Briton
You are Africa

And I try to imagine my response. I can say with all sincerity that I would read it as a metaphorical acknowledgment that Stone Henge, and the British culture that created it, is merely an artifact in a million year timeline of humanity&#039;s march out of East Africa. I would interpret it as a call for racial tolerance, as a reminder that we ultimately share the same core DNA, as a spit in the eye to the racist nationalist who would use such artifacts to further their own hatred.

One thing I know for sure is that I wouldn&#039;t be offended.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve tied to take your arguments seriously, Manuel. As an Englishman, I try to imagine going to an exhibition at the Victoria and Albert Museum &#8211; that bastion to Imperialist Expansion &#8211; and seeing an exhibition on Pre-Celtic British culture. I imagine reading a poem there that includes the lines</p>
<p>Stone Henge<br />
You are Briton<br />
You are Africa</p>
<p>And I try to imagine my response. I can say with all sincerity that I would read it as a metaphorical acknowledgment that Stone Henge, and the British culture that created it, is merely an artifact in a million year timeline of humanity&#8217;s march out of East Africa. I would interpret it as a call for racial tolerance, as a reminder that we ultimately share the same core DNA, as a spit in the eye to the racist nationalist who would use such artifacts to further their own hatred.</p>
<p>One thing I know for sure is that I wouldn&#8217;t be offended.</p>
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		<title>By: Manuel Alderete</title>
		<link>http://lacma.wordpress.com/2010/11/03/in-your-presence-by-marisela-norte/#comment-2951</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Manuel Alderete]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 04:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To Rathko,

So, the Greeks were Africans, too?
The Romans were Africans, too?
The Celts were Africans, too?
&lt;strong&gt;After all, Europeans were right next door to Africa. They must be Africans, right?

If you say &quot;no&quot;, doesn&#039;t this make you a &quot;masquerading racist&quot;? (your logic)
and you are &quot;disgusted by the mere hint that they may share something with a darker shade&quot;? (your quote)

Insulting, isn&#039;t it?

All the evidence points to Humanity beginning in Africa. And all evidence points to the Celts being from Europe and the Olmecs being Indigenous to the Western Hemisphere.

I agree with all three statements. You seem to agree with only two.

Who&#039;s the real racist here?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Rathko,</p>
<p>So, the Greeks were Africans, too?<br />
The Romans were Africans, too?<br />
The Celts were Africans, too?<br />
<strong>After all, Europeans were right next door to Africa. They must be Africans, right?</p>
<p>If you say &#8220;no&#8221;, doesn&#8217;t this make you a &#8220;masquerading racist&#8221;? (your logic)<br />
and you are &#8220;disgusted by the mere hint that they may share something with a darker shade&#8221;? (your quote)</p>
<p>Insulting, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>All the evidence points to Humanity beginning in Africa. And all evidence points to the Celts being from Europe and the Olmecs being Indigenous to the Western Hemisphere.</p>
<p>I agree with all three statements. You seem to agree with only two.</p>
<p>Who&#8217;s the real racist here?</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Rathko</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rathko]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2010 23:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nothing like old-fashioned racism masquerading as cultural pride. I&#039;ve never seen so many people so disgusted to the core by the mere hint of a suggestion that they may share something in common with those of a darker shade. Everyone on the planet is descended from Africa. Only a few seem to have a problem with the fact.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing like old-fashioned racism masquerading as cultural pride. I&#8217;ve never seen so many people so disgusted to the core by the mere hint of a suggestion that they may share something in common with those of a darker shade. Everyone on the planet is descended from Africa. Only a few seem to have a problem with the fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Manuel Alderete</title>
		<link>http://lacma.wordpress.com/2010/11/03/in-your-presence-by-marisela-norte/#comment-2947</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Manuel Alderete]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2010 19:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To Juan Pueblo,

&lt;strong&gt;It is the poet herself who made this political&lt;/strong&gt; by stating a historical FICTION: that the Olmecs were African. Totally debunked. Not valid except as &lt;strong&gt;FICTION&lt;/strong&gt;.

This &lt;strong&gt;FICTION&lt;/strong&gt; has been debunked by the academic community already. It is considered a joke. Recently at LACMA, Dr. Michael Coe wouldn&#039;t even entertain the idea without evidence. 

Writing a poem does not grant someone the right to make &lt;strong&gt;FICTIONAL&lt;/strong&gt; claims that are academically debunked (and racist for their implication that Indigenous People were &quot;too stupid to create their own civilization&quot;.)

Will you confront the poet for introducing this POLITICAL idea that is dismissed by any serious scholar? You should. You should confront her ignorance and racist refusal to grant credit for the Olmec Civilization to Indigenous People. For ignoring the massive piles of academic evidence showing the Olmecs were Indigenous.

Writing a poem that says &quot;the Olmecs rode on unicorns&quot; is a FICTION. So is saying they are Africans. That FICTION belongs in on the shelf with Lord of The Rings and other FICTION.

You may not care that our heritage is looted like this so casually, but many of us do. And it&#039;s because of us who do care that you are even able to have the opportunity to know about this in the first place.

Your &quot;I don&#039;t care attitude&quot; is why you are NOT looked to for leadership in our community. That attitude is a slippery slope that delivers us right back into the days of massive injustice and racism. 

We do care, and if that hurts your feelings, we do not apologize. Just entertain yourself with more fiction (calling it &quot;poetry&quot;).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Juan Pueblo,</p>
<p><strong>It is the poet herself who made this political</strong> by stating a historical FICTION: that the Olmecs were African. Totally debunked. Not valid except as <strong>FICTION</strong>.</p>
<p>This <strong>FICTION</strong> has been debunked by the academic community already. It is considered a joke. Recently at LACMA, Dr. Michael Coe wouldn&#8217;t even entertain the idea without evidence. </p>
<p>Writing a poem does not grant someone the right to make <strong>FICTIONAL</strong> claims that are academically debunked (and racist for their implication that Indigenous People were &#8220;too stupid to create their own civilization&#8221;.)</p>
<p>Will you confront the poet for introducing this POLITICAL idea that is dismissed by any serious scholar? You should. You should confront her ignorance and racist refusal to grant credit for the Olmec Civilization to Indigenous People. For ignoring the massive piles of academic evidence showing the Olmecs were Indigenous.</p>
<p>Writing a poem that says &#8220;the Olmecs rode on unicorns&#8221; is a FICTION. So is saying they are Africans. That FICTION belongs in on the shelf with Lord of The Rings and other FICTION.</p>
<p>You may not care that our heritage is looted like this so casually, but many of us do. And it&#8217;s because of us who do care that you are even able to have the opportunity to know about this in the first place.</p>
<p>Your &#8220;I don&#8217;t care attitude&#8221; is why you are NOT looked to for leadership in our community. That attitude is a slippery slope that delivers us right back into the days of massive injustice and racism. </p>
<p>We do care, and if that hurts your feelings, we do not apologize. Just entertain yourself with more fiction (calling it &#8220;poetry&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: Juan Pueblo</title>
		<link>http://lacma.wordpress.com/2010/11/03/in-your-presence-by-marisela-norte/#comment-2946</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Juan Pueblo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2010 18:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank You Maricela Norte]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank You Maricela Norte</p>
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		<title>By: Juan Pueblo</title>
		<link>http://lacma.wordpress.com/2010/11/03/in-your-presence-by-marisela-norte/#comment-2945</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Juan Pueblo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2010 18:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do not waste your words arguing to a poet,
everybody has the right to express his/her poetry.
Our comments should be supportive from the perspective
of POETRY nothing about politics of racism in disguize.

Thanks for the oportunity, for giving a chance of reading your words and, for sharing your thoughts]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do not waste your words arguing to a poet,<br />
everybody has the right to express his/her poetry.<br />
Our comments should be supportive from the perspective<br />
of POETRY nothing about politics of racism in disguize.</p>
<p>Thanks for the oportunity, for giving a chance of reading your words and, for sharing your thoughts</p>
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		<title>By: TruthAndJustice</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TruthAndJustice]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2010 13:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The elephant in the room is how theories of white supremacy have distorted the fact that connections exist between people all over the world before 1492, and how theories of supremacy clouds the fact of peaceful cultural interactions. Those looking for excuses to hate won’t dare discuss this. It appears that the seeds of hate are deep, and this should probably be addressed by many within Latin based cultures that have thrived on divisions of hierarchy, that can be seen in their media let alone the pain felt by family members that look more Indigenous or African within these communities. How convenient to attack those that attempt to destroy distortions founded by white supremacy archeology and theories.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The elephant in the room is how theories of white supremacy have distorted the fact that connections exist between people all over the world before 1492, and how theories of supremacy clouds the fact of peaceful cultural interactions. Those looking for excuses to hate won’t dare discuss this. It appears that the seeds of hate are deep, and this should probably be addressed by many within Latin based cultures that have thrived on divisions of hierarchy, that can be seen in their media let alone the pain felt by family members that look more Indigenous or African within these communities. How convenient to attack those that attempt to destroy distortions founded by white supremacy archeology and theories.</p>
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		<title>By: Olin Tezcatlipoca</title>
		<link>http://lacma.wordpress.com/2010/11/03/in-your-presence-by-marisela-norte/#comment-2925</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Olin Tezcatlipoca]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2010 19:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rathko,

Nothing metaphorical that could say anything different than what we are all outraged about, I&#039;lll translate it for you:

Olmeca you are Mexico
Olmeca you are Africa

No allusion, no follow up explanation, just following the ignorance of the racist Afrocentric insults on our people and our heritage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rathko,</p>
<p>Nothing metaphorical that could say anything different than what we are all outraged about, I&#8217;lll translate it for you:</p>
<p>Olmeca you are Mexico<br />
Olmeca you are Africa</p>
<p>No allusion, no follow up explanation, just following the ignorance of the racist Afrocentric insults on our people and our heritage.</p>
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